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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Aug 15, 2023, 12:21 PM
From earlier in the thread, Zoey: "No, 6. M11 Would had been my move." I'm now convinced that Zoey's right, and that that move leads to an easy win for white. (As opposed to 6. M7, which looks way messier.)
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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Aug 16, 2023, 12:49 AM
I think I've now convinced myself that the answer to Karl's original question is: White is winning. Anyone wanna play an unrated swap2 to test my conviction??
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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Aug 16, 2023, 7:21 AM
To Ned and Mumix. I have real challenge for you guys to show off your skill levels. In the future when a strong player plays the O9 opening, you as p1 respond with F12.
I did use this in tourney vs spavacz. I did win. But I had false win. I made early error in opening. Either my 4th or 5th move if I recall correctly. (I think 4th) Luckily spavacz figured it out too late.
However, I and pentegon reviewed it after tourney and agreed on correct move changes which leads white to victory.
So this is my challenge to you two. Face strong player, and show correct and proficient solutions using F12 vs O9 open.
Scire hostis animum - Intelligere ludum - Nosce te ipsum - Prima moventur conciliat - Nolite errare
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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Aug 16, 2023, 7:29 AM
To Ned, I would test it in swap 2, but 1 you move slow, 2 I think I would need to have conviction as p2. Which I dont. I feel I have fully mapped it out now, and p2 gets slaughtered. Im referring to the N8 K12 open in case anyone unsure.
But I'm happy to show you my solutions on live table. Provided karl isn't seeking a rematch rated on that open. I'll refrain from divulging more if so. Ill say this, mark mammal did not play p1 correctly. And my move changes are not yet published in the data base. Ill further hint, and this may be too much, but in marks game, his extension wrong, and maybe a split 3 should be involved.
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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Jul 13, 2026, 9:53 AM
> But I suspect that K13 might have its own Achilles' heel in the form of 2...M9!, which can be seen in my game from the 2023 Pente Masters tournament
I'm kinda learning the opening theory and this 1st P2's move looks interesting. But I have a question about your game with Ned and the whole variant: what if P1 play 4. J10? I can't find a decisive plan for P2.
Also if P1 would play 9. L8 instead of 9. N10, what is the win?
Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Jul 13, 2026, 10:02 AM
> Then after 4...M8, I believe the position is unclear.
Missed this post =) Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
I don't have an access to DB, but yeah, imo it's the optimal play for P1. I'd play 7. M12 as the best restraining move in this position, but the complications are yet beyond my on-the-board analysis capabilities.
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Re: Who is winning after 1 K10 N8 2 K13 M9?
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Jul 13, 2026, 8:10 PM
I just reviewed Ned's analysis above and found a game where he won with the idea of blocking high with 6 M11, a move that he claims results in a much simpler win than M7.
Interestingly, the position after P1's 7th (seen above) is extremely similar (but with colors reversed) to the position I had recently in a game against tempest10 after 9 moves:
White's extra stones on K10 and L10 make it much closer to equal. In Ned's position, I have to believe P1 is clearly winning. And that may finally give me the answer to the question I posed 3 years ago: P1 wins after 4 J10 and 6 M11, but other lines are far less clear.
It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then.
