Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Feb 23, 2003, 5:47 PM
Dufus/Bobugnone feels that I have wronged him greatly by not telling the entire story when I labeled him "unsportsmanlike" because of his forcing a resignation and denying snut an undo (despite receiving undos himself in the past). He also demanded a public apology before he would play me in an unrated game-- I had already told him I would never play him again, however, I was willling to play an unrated game after someone suggested it.
Well, I thought about this and I wasn't sure the best way to go about this. I don't feel like making a long post because my arms and wrists stull hurt from using the computer too much. ALso, if I make another post, there is the chance that I will once again misrepresent what happened, or even if I don't, that Dufus/bobugnone will claim that I did.
I then realized that the easiest way to give the entire story is to simply paste the conversation here thast Dufus and I had! This will save me a lot of time and effort, and DUfus/bobugnone cannot say I am not accurately representing his thoughts. So, here is the conversation thread. You can all draw your own conclusions-- mine are clearly stated in the conversation thread, and I make no bones about repeating the conversation here, because I stand behind what I say 100%.
This happened early Saturday afternoon 2/22/03
joeking: wat nxt? n e 1 wana play duf? joeking: myb duf n dm ? dmitriking: I[ll play unrated joeking: great, duf? -fybfy has left the table dufus: cant do it dm joeking: then? il do p2 duf? dufus: we had 75 great games but thats all done until i get my dufus: apology in the forum dmitriking: I understand dmitriking: what specifically is it you wish me to apologize for? dufus: calling me unsportsmanlike and then tellling only half the story dmitriking: ok, this is a serious question-- dmitriking: you are upset that I called you unsportsmanlike, or that I did it dmitriking: without a complete explanation? dufus: if u tell the whole story it makes me sound like a good sport dufus: so u onlt told half dmitriking: hmmm. dmitriking: well... dmitriking: I am not entirely sure that I agree the whole story would make dmitriking: you seem like a good sport. But, I am willing to post the whole dmitriking: story. dufus: if u still feel that i am a poor sport why would u ever wish to play dufus: me again??? dmitriking: that is why I said I would play unrated dufus: lolol dmitriking: I don't care if an undo for an obviouss misclick is denied in an dmitriking: unratede game dmitriking: or, if my computer fails, I don;t care if you force resign dmitriking: i said a long time ago I would not play you again, but unrated dmitriking: games don't bother me. dufus: i consider what u did too have been unsportsmanlike also and dufus: i rather not play bad sports rated or un dmitriking: I see dmitriking: I am sorry you feel wronged by what I did. dufus: i want my apology lol dufus: that goes for snutter also dmitriking: well, snutter's matter is another story dmitriking: that has to do with undoes dmitriking: ours had to do with a forced resignation. dufus: he also told half the story dmitriking: what was the ohter half? dufus: a lie by ommission is just as bad as a bold face lie dmitriking: not exactly dufus: where youre denegrating someone with it dmitriking: what did he leave out? dufus: i offered to let him cacel that game as soon as i denied dmitriking: so? dmitriking: that hardly sounds fair dmitriking: like I said-- your policy about undoes is your choice. I may not dmitriking: agree with it, but if you are upfront with people, then no one dmitriking: should object dmitriking: but dufus: i offered to let him get away without taking his points dmitriking: it does not sound like you wre upfront dmitriking: did you rtell snutter in advance that you would be denying dmitriking: undos? dufus: u told everyone on the forum dmitriking: I did? -samwise has entered the table dufus: but thats why i offered to let him cancel in case he hadnt dufus: heard andru: hi sam samwise: hello dufus: hi sam dmitriking: I didn't realize I made a forum announcement about your undos dmitriking: why would I do that? andru: hey sam or joe, wanna play a couple games? dufus: dm i dont know why u or snut did any of that craziness dmitriking: what craziness? dufus: the whole forum thing dmitriking: I recall making a post stating that people should announce theur dmitriking: undo intentions prior to thre match dmitriking: but I do not recall making a post about YOU specifically, that dmitriking: you would deny undos. did I? joeking: sam, u n andru should ply! samwise: we have played many dufus: u called me names dude u dont remember that? andru: yeah, i cant beat the kid dmitriking: when? dmitriking: when you forced the resignation, or later? dufus: unsportmanlike too competitive??? dmitriking: those are "names"? samwise: well someone sit dufus: i would feel very badly if there were more than just u and dufus: snut and a few others joeking: myb lets let duf n dm talk yall? -game started dmitriking: ok, here is the thing joeking: oh, yall ply they talk dmitriking: about the forced rsignation dufus: that thought i was unsportsmanlike dmitriking: your offer to replay the game lesssened the blow somewhat. dmitriking: however-- dmitriking: if I had lost, I would then have incurred two losses for one dmitriking: game-- dufus: i was on the off. so i forced dmitriking: for the chasnce to get two wins dmitriking: Ieffectively, you put me in a double or nothing situation dufus: if u dont force your teachin the younger players to leave losing dufus: games dmitriking: untrue dmitriking: why are you so suspicious of everyone? dmitriking: you think if soemone leavs it is because he is losing? dmitriking: well, that';s not me. I don't do that dmitriking: if I leave it is because my computer failed dufus: if im on the def. ii cancel if im on the off i force dmitriking: that's absurd dmitriking: that's your idea of sportsmanship? dufus: but it doest matter cause were not playin lol dmitriking: what if the player has an open 4, and his computer locks before dmitriking: hs cna place the 5th stone? dmitriking: why not justr wait for the player to return? dufus: u cancel and feel lucky to get out freee dmitriking: I think you see an opportunity to 1) get a cheap win or 2) avoid a dmitriking: sure loss dmitriking: that;s lame dmitriking: someone with dignity resigns dmitriking: I stand by my assertion about your sportsmanship dufus: are u the ettequette police now dm? dmitriking: no, and that comment is no more effective than the first time you dmitriking: said it. dmitriking: I do not have to be the "ettiquette police" to recognize a poor dmitriking: sport! dmitriking: you are the only one I have met who thinks your actions are not dmitriking: unsportsmanlike dufus: welll just remember no apology no play dmitriking: sounds like your loss, not mine andru: gg samwise: GG -game over, samwise wins dmitriking: I suppose if I accidentally played A1 you would not grant an dmitriking: undo? dufus: its both of ours dufus: losses dufus: catch u guys later -game started -dufus has left the table dmitriking: well, that discussion went nowhere joeking: i was hopin 4 a dif outcome, but myb its a start dmitriking: well, he wants me to make a post on the forum, I will dmitriking: but there won't be anything resembling an apology. dmitriking: the notion that I should apologize is absurd.
then this happened later that evening
dmitriking: dufus I thought about what you said dmitriking: I don't think an apology is due for my calling you dmitriking: unsportsmanlike, however dmitriking: I was wrong to not include the fulll story in each instance dmitriking: both with the undo and the resignation -munchkin has left the table dmitriking: I willl post on the forum explaining the fulll story for each case, dmitriking: and I will explain why i am satill not happy about it. I think that dmitriking: wouldk present a more complete and fair analysis. dmitriking: then, people would have all the information and could decide for dmitriking: themselves, instead of just my saying that you were dmitriking: unsportmanslike without really giving the full explanation dmitriking: now-- dufus: dm dmitriking: I realize that isn;t exactly what you asked for dufus: when we play rated dmitriking: but dufus: we are gambling dmitriking: I think that is fair, at the very least, I should include everything dmitriking: that happened dufus: whether we play 4 points or money or women if you make dufus: mistakes i woll take all your stuff dmitriking: yes, understood dmitriking: I almost never ask for na undo dmitriking: does anyone remember thel ast time I asked for one? dmitriking: when I make a bad move, I just grimace and deal dmitriking: usually followed by a rsignation dmitriking: but I firmly believe the occasionalt misclick should not be dmitriking: punished. dufus: as for the forced resignation if im on the off. i force if im on the dufus: def. i cancel dmitriking: but-- others might not? dmitriking: others would probably resign if on the defensive and cancel if on dmitriking: the offensive dufus: thats not my problem dufus: they will once i do it to them -elkabong has left the table dmitriking: but, you understand that not everyone feels that way about the dmitriking: matter? dmitriking: it;s sort of like "I am going to screw them before they screw me" dufus: oh yes we all cant agree on everthing dmitriking: whereas I view it as "if I don;t screw them, they won;t screw me" dmitriking: I;ve been burned too. dufus: plenty of players have walked out on a losing game to me dmitriking: any serious players? dmitriking: I havep layed 1200 gmaes here, never happpneed to me once dufus: if we cancel were teachin them to walk out dmitriking: not necessarily dmitriking: for one things dufus: if im on the off. odds are im going to win dmitriking: if a player did that dmitriking: you would be fully within your rights to flame him on the forium dmitriking: board dufus: so i should force to keep the points right dmitriking: and that player woul never be taken seriously dmitriking: why not just wait and see if the player returns? dmitriking: first of all, we are not talking about some newbie loser who walks dmitriking: out on a losing game dmitriking: is that what you thought I was going to do that game? dmitriking: walk out on you because I was stumped? dufus: if u want to make the time limit longer talk to dweebo dufus: im all for it dmitriking: you can WAIT though anyway dmitriking: you are not required to act when the box comes up dufus: other players were waiting dmitriking: so?? dmitriking: let them wait dmitriking: big deal dmitriking: people wait all the time dmitriking: seriously, I think that is a lame reason dmitriking: and I think everyone else would agree with me on that one dmitriking: "people were waiting" is NOT a convincing argument dmitriking: surely you knew I would come back? dufus: well i dont think im playin rated anymore anyway this is silly dufus: no one gets mad about an unrated game dmitriking: this is the primary site where this game is played mike321: i for 1 am here for the action , now i just cancel dufus: even tho u and snut are the only whiners here dmitriking: doubtgul dmitriking: I only whine when justified dufus: i played by the rules dm and your whining dmitriking: snut got screwed. had he known in advance of your undo dmitriking: policy, this would be different dmitriking: let me ask you something dufus dmitriking: seriously here dufus: i offered to let him cancel in case that was the case dmitriking: if the law against Murder were dropped tomorrow, would you kill dmitriking: people?? dufus: i already have dm dmitriking: you seem obsessed with what is technically the rules dmitriking: what is legal is not always moral and vice versa dmitriking: look-- I said I would tell the full story on the forum., what more do dmitriking: you want? dufus: and who says whats moral? dmitriking: I am almost positive everyone will still agreethat you were dmitriking: unsportsmanlike dmitriking: oh, so since morals are not clearly definable, you just throiw them dmitriking: all away? dmitriking: simply put, you are an ethical egoist dufus: because you didnt tell the whole story dmitriking: you do not believe in the GOlden Rule, you do not believe in the dmitriking: categorical imperative dmitriking: what I am saying is this: dmitriking: IF I tell the whole story, people will STILL maintain their opinions dmitriking: about you dufus: who are u talking about? dmitriking: you are acting as if the full story vindicates you. It doesn;t. dmitriking: you! dufus: do people here not play me lol dmitriking: who else would I be talking about? dmitriking: some woin't dmitriking: I do not wish to gt into a diuscussion of names. I'll post the full dmitriking: story on the forum, and people cna decide for themselves dufus: and thats our loss but are we playin pro pente or wussiepente? dmitriking: you wanted the whole story told, I willl do that dmitriking: pro pente dufus: then stand up to your mistakes dmitriking: and in a real pente game, a misclick of the mnouse woudl not dmitriking: likely happen. dmitriking: ok, a computer disconnect is not a mistake! dufus: i stand up to all of mine dmitriking: you are being stubborn and argumentative, and you are refusing dmitriking: to even address any of my points dmitriking: baloney dmitriking: then let's go back and giv me the wins that you got from me by dmitriking: receiving an undo dufus: i will not ask for an undo under any circumstances dmitriking: please explain to me how a computer disconnect is a mistake? dmitriking: but you used to---- dmitriking: and then without telling people, you changd your policy dmitriking: that's not right dufus: yes and it was a mistake dmitriking: oh, ok dufus: undos are a crutch dmitriking: for a bad move, fine, I'll grant you that dmitriking: but not for a misclick dmitriking: in a speed game, different story--- dufus: i stand up to either dmitriking: in a speed game, a mislick happens because of rushing for time mike321: i agree with dnitri dmitriking: well, rhat's not what pente is about dmitriking: if I drop a stone on A1 by mistake, that just isn;t right dufus: u only do that once dmitriking: one should not lose a game because he makes an OBVIOUS no dmitriking: doubt about it misclick dmitriking: it cn happen anytime! dufus: then u pay for it and never do it again dmitriking: it is an accident dmitriking: it is not done intentional dmitriking: that is like saying "never get hit by a car again" mike321: sometimes puter error dufus: but u will never do that again dmitriking: what are you basing that on? dmitriking: ok, let me get this straight dmitriking: look at this game dufus: funny how it doesnt happen to me anymore dmitriking: suppose on mike's 6th move, h e plays H8 because his mouse dmitriking: stuck on the edge. dmitriking: I mean G8 dmitriking: instantly he asks for an undo dmitriking: you are saying I should deny it so he "leanrs not to do that dmitriking: again?" dufus: u guys want to gamble points make mistakes and still win the dufus: pot what men u are dmitriking: I think that is ludicrous dmitriking: a misclick is not a mistake that has anything to do with the play dmitriking: of the game dmitriking: dufus, please explain how a computer disconnect is a mistake? dufus: i misclicked twice paid each time never did it again dmitriking: look, I feel like I am making good points here. I am not sure if dmitriking: you are disagreeing with me because you believe ehat you say, or dmitriking: if you are now doing so just for the ske of dissdagreeing with me mike321: dufus has taken this to the extreme dmitriking: ok, and a computer disconnect? dmitriking: yes dmitriking: very extrreme dmitriking: I am waiting for the explanation of how a disconnect is a dmitriking: mistake? dmitriking: furthermore----- here where we are all a pente commmunity, trust dmitriking: should have to be lost, not earned. dufus: if i dont get back in time or u dont make the time longer but dufus: dont cry to me about going with the rules dmitriking: ok, now you are just being ridiculkous dmitriking: your arguments are weak at best dmitriking: you want to stubbornly stick to this nonsense you are going on dmitriking: about? Fine! but, I cal it like I see it! dmitriking: and not a single person has disagreed with me., dmitriking: here is the deal-- dufus: well nothing has changed u lied thru omission and i consider dufus: that unsportmanlike dmitriking: you seem to think that the full story of the two events will dmitriking: vindicate you dmitriking: I will post hte full story. dmitriking: and people cna make their own decisions -frenchafry has entered the table -frenchafry has left the table dmitriking: well Dufus, when you stab people in the back, you are not alwsy dmitriking: going to get a n impartial story told! dmitriking: imagine that! dufus: i didnt lie u did dmitriking: wreong dmitriking: wrong dmitriking: I omitted information that I deemed unimportant dmitriking: you call that lie? fine. call it what you want dmitriking: you are obviously very set in your ways. For whatever reason, dmitriking: you seem distrustful, bitter and paranoid dufus: which turned the story completely around no thats not dufus: impoetant lol dmitriking: you think everyone is out to screw you, so you screw them first! dmitriking: are you hearing anything I am saying? dmitriking: EVEN THE FULL STORY WILL NOT MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD dmitriking: you seem to be missing this point dufus: i play real pente dont play me if u dont have the egggs lol dmitriking: real pente dmitriking: what do you know about real pente? dufus: if were gambling dont make mistakes dmitriking: do you think that if you repeat the same crap over and over that dmitriking: it will make sense? dmitriking: the way I figure it, you owe me soem games then dmitriking: you won games from me because of undos dmitriking: so, own up to your mnistakes! dufus: we both did dmitriking: and give m my wins back dufus: to our detriment dmitriking: this is going nowhere. dmitriking: do you want me to give the full story on the forum or not?? dufus: did u really think it would? mike321: tourney game in 2, arne n sjustice dmitriking: yes dmitriking: I thought an intelligent person could be reasoned with dmitriking: you shun my attempts at reason dufus: your apology or we dont play rated or un u insulted me mike321: diff ends of spectrum dmitriking: I insulted you? what do you expect from your actions? dmitriking: apologize for forcing resignation! dufus: no i played by the rules grow up and quit whining dmitriking: ooooh.. dmitriking: I see dmitriking: anyone who says soemthing you don't like is a whiner! dmitriking: you have not so skillfully dodged almpost all of my arguments dmitriking: because you really are defenseless dmitriking: you have no leg to stand on dmitriking: no one agrees with you dmitriking: you stand alone in your wacky world of distrust and contempt dufus: lol dmitriking: what's this **** about gambling anyway? dufus: tell me somethin i dont know dmitriking: this isn't Las Vegas mike321: pts against pts dufus: points money women its all the same dmitriking: I woul say the analogy is weak dmitriking: every one of your arguments is weak dmitriking: I wish you would just stand behind your own arguments and dmitriking: admit that you are a jerk dmitriking: then we could agree on soemthing and be done with the matter. dufus: sound to me like youve never gambled for women dmitriking: if you want to be a jerk, atl east have the balls to acknowledfge it dmitriking: women are not property dmitriking: so no, I have not mike321: would u be willing to do the same dmitri????????????? dmitriking: being a good sport does not make me a jerk dmitriking: but being a poor sport does mike321: ranting on it does!!!!!!!!!!!! dmitriking: I am tired of listening to Dufus' lame excuses for his poor dmitriking: sportsmanship dmitriking: plus, he is the one who brought this up each time we have dmitriking: gotten into the discuission here dmitriking: so actually, the one who is whining is... DUFUS! dmitriking: waah!!! Dmitri didnl;t tell the whole story! wahhh!!!!! dufus: u brought this up dmitriking: if you don't like the way I tell stories, next time don't **** me dmitriking: over!!! dmitriking: YOU BROUGHT ITUP!!!! dufus: scrol back dmitriking: when I offered to play an unrated game, you brought it up mike321: life isnt fair guys dmitriking: no, and you know why dmitriking: because of people like Dufus dufus: ll dmitriking: peopel like him who keep your wallet when they find it mike321: and you too dufus: lol dmitriking: yeah? dmitriking: how so mike??? dmitriking: who have I made life unfair to?? dmitriking: I bend over backwards to be fair!!! dufus: me dmitriking: I have granted a hundred more undos than I have asked, at least mike321: it doesnt make sense to make a big deal of this dmitriking: no, it doesn't. dmitriking: whch is why Dufus should deal with the fact that he is not dmitriking: getting an apology dufus: u didnt tell the whole story how unfail!!! dmitriking: I am not required to give every detail of every story! dufus: no u arent dmitriking: where is htat in the rules DUFUS??????????????? dmitriking: huh???????????? dufus: and im not required to play everyone dmitriking: your damn rules that you are so big on dmitriking: no,m you are not dmitriking: but dmitriking: you no doubt have the highest nujmber of people who will not dmitriking: play you in a rated game dmitriking: so maybe just maybe, people don't like your aattitude? dufus: well thats not really any of your business is it dm dmitriking: mayve other people don't like having a forced resignation for a dmitriking: computer disconnect? dufus: ? dmitriking: none at all dmitriking: here is what I know dmitriking: you are a poser. -mike321 has left the table -dufus has left the table
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Feb 24, 2003, 12:34 AM
Dufus -
I'm not going to comment on the particular topic that you and Dmitri were discussing, but I have a MAJOR concern about PART of your discussion that I will cut-and-paste below. Based on that discussion, I am getting the impression that you are admitting that you have killed someone. Perhaps you were responding to an earlier comment, but I couldn't see what that comment would have been. I believe that you should clarify that because many others may get the same impression. Here it is:
dufus: i played by the rules dm and your whining dmitriking: snut got screwed. had he known in advance of your undo dmitriking: policy, this would be different dmitriking: let me ask you something dufus dmitriking: seriously here dufus: i offered to let him cancel in case that was the case dmitriking: if the law against Murder were dropped tomorrow, would you kill dmitriking: people?? dufus: i already have dm dmitriking: you seem obsessed with what is technically the rules dmitriking: what is legal is not always moral and vice versa dmitriking: look-- I said I would tell the full story on the forum., what more do dmitriking: you want? dufus: and who says whats moral? dmitriking: I am almost positive everyone will still agreethat you were dmitriking: unsportsmanlike
Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Feb 25, 2003, 8:50 PM
To all -
I felt it appropriate based on the discussion thread above for someone to have a discussion in person with Dufus/Bobugnone at DSG about what he meant by his response to DmitriKing's comment.
He stated that he is a Vietnam War veteran and that his comment was in reference to a wartime situation. I hope that this sets any concerns at ease about him. This country owes a debt of gratitude to our war veterans so I was glad to hear this.
Thanks to Vitals for inviting Dufus to the table that we were at and starting the conversation with him.
Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Feb 25, 2003, 10:17 PM
Yes, thanks to vitals for clearing it up. NO thanks to Dufus for the terrible manner in which he presented this information. For starters, I was talking about MURDER, and whether or not he would murder someone if the law forbidding it were abolished. His lame "already have dm" comment was simply a distraction from the discussion at hand, for the obvious reason that he was backed into a corner and had little of relevance to say. Obviously he knows the difference between killing enemy soldiers in wartime and murdering someone.
The crux of this issue is that Dfus felt he was wronged by my earlier posts. I had actually let BOTH issues Die a long time ago (by both issues I mean the forced resingation and the denied undo), and I only brought them up again months later for one reason:
After dufus was removed from the tournament, several people posted on the forum about what a great/nice guy Dufus is.
It is clear ot me that Dufus is NOT a nice guy, by any definition of the word, and that is why I dredged up those two old issues (they had happeneed sometime in the fall of 2002).
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
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Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Mar 1, 2003, 4:12 PM
Come on guys! Don’t you think it is time you give this matter a rest?? Dimitri, you seem obsessed with debating this topic. For a bleeding-heart liberal, I would have expected a little more tolerance, forgiveness, and bridge building here. Dimitri, you are clearly very intelligent and articulate person, who likely has had substantial experience in debating, which it appears you enjoy. Reading the discussion thread, it seemed clear to me that dufus’ response to the hypothetical question of murder, was more out of frustration to the manner in which the topic was being debated, and it never once crossed my mind that he was a cold blooded killer. Oh, but of all the things that were said in the discussion, everyone chose to lock in and focus on that off-handed comment. A comment that really had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I guess it was just too juicy of a comment not run with and utilize to continue to paint this negative picture. I am hopeful that some people’s maturity will soon catch up with their above average intelligence.
Except maybe you dimitri, all of us have made errors in judgment in our lives. We can only hope that after they are pointed out, that we learn from them, and are allowed to move on, with the forgiveness and support of our peers and friends. I am quite amazed at how some people here have deemed themselves such wise sages, worthy to sit in judgment of others, cast out punishment, and using your intellect to twist and dramatize the facts. Yes, the rules of the game and sportsmanship are important. But isn’t it more important to help people get on the right track, give them the benefit of the doubt, and show some tolerance??
One last point, or really a question. When I chat with people during games, I assume that discussion is between me and the person I am playing, and obviously any others at the table. I do not assume that what I say during the course of a game, or in-between games, will be posted for the entire community of the site to read. So please tell me Dimitri, did you seek permission from dufus, or others in that discussion thread, prior to posting it for all to read??? Or am I to assume that anything I say to you, is subject to public broadcast. Now you may say there is no rule against it, but isn’t that the same technical argument you have accused others of in the name of Sportsmanship?
In closing, I hope you will not refuse to play me anymore rated games dm, because you are a very interesting and talented player.
Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Mar 1, 2003, 6:46 PM
Jim, I disagree with almost everything you wrote.
First of all-- you said "Oh, but of all the things that were said in the discussion, everyone chose to lock in and focus on that off-handed comment." Actually, only one person said anything about it, and that was Gary, who only wanted to clear up what Dufus said. I then later posted that my irritation with what he said was that he was avoiding the issue entirely-- and the actual issue was a valid one-- that rules are not always the ultimate action guiding institute. I just assumed he was making a joke (although the possibility of military service did enter my mind also). You said his comment was "was more out of frustration to the manner in which the topic was being debated." Which manner is this? I was debating the only way I know how, by making strong argument to support my case. If he doesn’t like this manner of being debated, then he should not try to debate with me!
Then you say, "We can only hope that after they (mistakes)are pointed out, that we learn from them, and are allowed to move on, with the forgiveness and support of our peers and friends"
Well Jim, Dufus has acted like a complete a__hole the whole way in regard to this manner, so how are we supposed to learn from it and move on???? He hasn't learned from it or moved on, because he keeps insisting that he did nothing wrong! Yet, almost everyone else agrees that he DID do something wrong!
Why the h__l should I grant him forgiveness and support when he is a jerk with no sense of sportsmanship????? You want to be his friend, be my guest, but I do not consider him one (I am alluding to your sentence about the support of his friends and peers).
As for my pasting the conversation on the site-- I don't need his permission. He wanted me to tell the whole story, and the best way to do this was to paste the conversation. He did not give me specifics on how he would like the whole story posted, so I chose the best method. The first time I posted the story, he objected on the grounds that he was misrepresented. Well, by pasting the conversation, I guarantee that his words are not represented!!!!
Generally, this is something I would not do, but again, I felt the situation called for it. I really could not think of a better way to present the facts. It is not as if I performed this action capriciously, I had a good reason for doing so. If someone posted my conversations without any reason, I would probably be annoyed, but I don’t necessarily expect everything I say in a public place like Dweebo’s to stay in the place it is first uttered. Remember, this issue had been dead for weeks until Dufus brought it up when I offered to play an unrated game. That hardly sounds like an obsession to me. If I feel compelled to revive a dead issue in response to someone else's commenting on it, then I will do so. I pasted the conversation only after Dufus all but demanded that I let all the facts be heard. You claim I am trying to present a negative picture of Dufus. I am just giving the facts, Dufus does a fine job of painting himself a negative picture.
As for your saying I am obsessed with this matter, well, maybe I am beating a dead horse, but, I will continue to beat a dead horse until the other party or parties involved either 1) shut up or 2) present a coherent and cogent argument to the contrary. So far, neither has happened, so I see no reason to stop beating the dead horse.
You then speak of maturity. If it is your opinion that I am being immature, so be it, but I disagree. I think being a poor sport is childish and immature, but hey, that’s just my opinion.
As for your last remark, "In closing, I hope you will not refuse to play me anymore rated games dm, because you are a very interesting and talented player."
Why would I not play you in rated games? I have no beef with you; we have never had any problems. I don’t have a vendetta against anyone who speaks on Dufus' behalf. So, unless you plan to adopt Dufus’ tactics, which I don’t think you do (based on our discussions), we can continue to play games against each other.
As a final note, I would appreciate it if you would spell my name properly, but of course, you are under no obligation to do so.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
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Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Mar 2, 2003, 5:51 AM
Well Dmitri, I do apologize for spelling your name incorrectly. As for the rest of your post, I think it just supports several of the points I tried to make. The great thing about America, and this site, is that we can freely state our opinions. I have stated mine and this will be my last post on this topic. If nothing else, my post did serve to keep you off the streets long enough to prepare your enthusiastic, albeit misguided, reply. Happy Gaming Dmitri!!
Re: Sportsmanship and Dufus/Bobugnone
Posted:
Mar 2, 2003, 6:21 PM
Hmm.. I am not sure how my post was misguided, being that I tried to address each of your points. But you are right when you say the great thing about America is that we can all freely express our opinions. As far as I am concerned, the matter is closed, I have nothing more to say unless someone else revives the discussion.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
