SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 21, 2002, 11:22 PM
Ok, I am really pissed off, so this post will probably reflect that. I wil ltry to curb my usually foul mouth for those children hwo may be reading the post or for those adults who may be offended.
Most people understnd what good sportsmanship is. A few don't, This post is for all of you A-holes out there who don't think sportsmanship matters.
If you have lost a pente game, RESIGN THE DAMN GAME!!!! That is called taking your loss with dignity. Here is what I consider to be an example of one of the weorst displays of sportsmanship that I have ever seen:
I am playing a player names gnik_etnep. NOtice how he is named pente King spelled backwards. Anyhow, I am giving him a sound thumping, and I make a 4 threat that is blocked on one and and open on the other. the 4th stone that I just played also forms a 3 formation perpindicular to it, so as soon as he blocks the 4, I make double open ended 4 and the gamne is over. Most people with any dignity or sportsmanship would resign. Or, one could simply block the 4 (as expected when one makes a single open ended 4) thus allowing me to make the open 4, and then resign. This is what 99% of the people would do, but not gnik_etnep. No, he waits for bit, apparently contemplating what sneaky scheme he cn coem up with. During this pause I looked at a different website. I hear the sond indicating he has moed, assming he has blocked my 4, I then placethe stone to form the double open 4, but alas.. he chose to ignore my initial 4, instead making his own somewhere else, and when I immediately realized his trick, I xclicked undo. He denied it and played his 5th stone.
This is the behaviour typical of a contemptible piece of s__t that gnik_etnep no dount is. I have never encountered such crap before at this site, and I may never again, but I wanted to make sure everyone kows what a loser this guy. Sportsmanship in our society has gone out hte window.
Win the game on merit, not on some BS like that. I was able to attain a 1950 rating at this site, despite NEVER ONCE DENYING AN UNDO!!!!! That's not how I want to win pente games, and I don't need to do it to win pente games. No one else should feel the need to do so either.
I am sure soem of you might be saying "hey, ultimately, you cna stop that by taking a good look at the board." Very true. BUt that does not change the situation any, nor does it change my opinion of gnik_etnep any. Nor wold it change my opinion about any one else who displays such an utter disregard for the accepted levels of sportsmanship.
And another thing-- When a player gets disconnected from a game, why penalize the player because his cable modem went down? If he was about to place the wining stone, JUST RESIGN THE DAMN GAME!!!!! Don't cancel it, RESIGN! Would YOU want soemone to cancel if you were about to place a winning stone? NO, you would want the person to resign! Well, there is soemthing called the golden rule, do unto others as you wold have done unto you. TRY IT SOMETIME, you might make morefriend that way!
And to those who force resignation when a player gets bumpe, well, youare a contemmptible wretched ecuse for a human being.
this isn't for money or prizes. We play pente for fun, for a challenge, and for honor and respect. Respect does not come from using shennanigans to win a game, it comes from making good moves. If you do not plan on acceopting undos, YOU SURE AS HELL BETTER NOT ASK FOR ANY< and you should TELL your opponent BEFORE the game what your undo policy is!!!!
To all you lowlifes out there who do not understand this, SCREW YOU AND GET LOST!!!
Dweebo, as a side note, I have a suggestion--Wold you consider enabling the host of a table to make the table private? After I reamed out gnik_etnep and told him to get lost, he followed me to my new table. There was no way for me to get rid of him, and I really didn't want him around. There were 9 other table h could go to. IO think this would be a good usggestion anyway because osme players in tournament games might want no distractions.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 22, 2002, 12:35 AM
I am going to have to completely and totally agree with Dmitri King on this subject as it has happened to me in the past. Only in my situation, I was denied the undo and offered a game "cancellation" even though it was completely obvious that I had the win. I digress.
My point is this: If you want to play cheese ball pente, go somewhere else. This site is for dedicated players who have integrity, and understand the definition of the word "sportsmanship." I can tell you this: It feels 100% better to win a game and EARN the points through hard work, and SKILL. Not through cancellations and forced resignations. I don't like losing any more than any one else does, I don't mind being BEAT!!! That is fine with me. I learn something that way, we all do. But taking a loss because some one has to be a jerk about forcing resignations or offering cancelations when they KNOW they've lost is unacceptable and has no place at a great site like this!!!
Gnik_etnep (and all others guilty of this type of unfair play...you know who you are), please take Dmitri Kings advice to heart. He is correct.
Dweebo, I also agree with Dmitri suggestion on privacy settings for certain rooms. Good idea.
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 22, 2002, 4:11 AM
Honestly I'm surprised that we don't have this sort of thing happen more often. I think its impressive how civil most players are! If you think you're not going to get cheated, welcome to the internet
You just have to accept that its going to happen from time to time unfortunately. (and hopefully everyone will learn to avoid certain players).
I have always planned on someday implementing private tables, and/or the ability for the owner to boot people from the table. It has always been on the back burner though. Maybe I'll consider it sooner after the next release.
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 22, 2002, 5:38 AM
I agree with Dmitri. "OK I said it out loud" hahaha But I think if we get enough complaints about any 1 player on bad sportsmanship we should have a top 10 list Regan
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 22, 2002, 2:24 PM
Thats a good idea Regan!
We could have something like what ebay has where you rate buyers and sellers on good/bad experiences you've had. We could add something to the player's profile that you could rate other players and maybe add comments or something. Then an overall "sportsmanship rating" would appear on the player stats in the game room so you could know who to avoid.
Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 22, 2002, 5:34 PM
Dweebo, thanks for your replies. I am very pleased that you like the idea of private tables and booting. I like Regan's Hall of shame idea also, thep roblem is, a shamed player can just go and start a new accountwith a different username.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Aug 31, 2002, 9:39 AM
Well, I tend to agree with dmitri on this one....our game of pente is a game of honor, sportsmanship, and fun!
The undo button is our friend (except in intense tourney play, then even so!). I think it provides a good chance to talk over stuff with your opponent, learn something, then move the game along. Everyone needs to understand this is a social game. We players don't get our paychecks from this site. We do learn things from others (I do), shoot the breeze about what ever funny comes up in conversation, and generally visit this site to have a good time!
I think a bad apple must have been in the shopping cart. Its really hard to spot one when your only senses are a chat bar and electronic board. This is just one of the risks we take playing this game on-line.
Meanwhile...those of us who know and love the game will continue to play with respect, honor, and a will to win!
Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Sep 2, 2002, 8:09 PM
In the mean time, I think it is important not to write people off. One or even two "bad" acts should not be enough to judge someone for all times. I don't think any of us would like to be evaluated for what we may have done at "not our finest hour".
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Sep 3, 2002, 7:20 AM
Now that I understand the post I will put in my .02. If you make a blunder, you live with it, that is part of the game. Even though you appeared to have the game locked up, your opponent was still fighting and kicking to the end. The result, you made a bad move by not looking at the board closely enough and your opponent grabbed the game. Now if you made a bad placement by a bad mouse click or something that is one thing, but pissing and moaning about a overlooked move, that is another. If I used your logic you would want me to resign as soon as you put down your first stone, after all you are going to win it eventually (look at your rating vs. mine). I guess I don't understand why anyone would ever resign. Play it out untill the 5th pair is taken or the 5th stone in a row is placed, you never know you may win. On a side not this undo stuff seems to get used quite a bit. If after you place your stone and then you realize it was a bad move, don't ask for a undo, live and learn from it.
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Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Sep 3, 2002, 10:47 AM
I will usually let people do an undo but what gets me unhappy are those that don't ask for the undo...then I move...then they change their mind and want me to undo my move so they can do theirs. I usually will let them if they are learning but with people with 50 or more games under their belt then I get resistant. I have never once asked for someone to undo their move so I can undo mine. I don't like it when people demand that I let them and get really pissed when I don't. Yes most of the games that I play are for learning but sometimes I am competitive, like when I am trying to build a good score. Am I wrong in this. Also most of the time if I make a bad move I will not ask for undo.
Re: SPORTSMANSHIP and Gnik_etnep (and a site suggestion)
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Sep 3, 2002, 3:41 PM
I respect your right to your opinion, but I disagree with it.Why would anyone resign? because of a thing called sportsmanship. If someone has an OBVIOUS WIN IN ONE MOVE (notthat this is different from your saying that the game is over after one move because I will eventually win), then itis poor sportsmanship to place another stone and hope that theperson makes a misclick! That is just the way it is, you can disagree and say it isn't, but I say it is and I think most agree. All the top players resign and would never drweam of pulling such a stunt. You say it is different if it is a misclick. How? This player made it abundantlyclear he would have done the same thinganyway, misclick or not. It had nothing to do with an overlooked move. Soemone is supposed to block a single open ended 4, to not do so was a cheap trick and nothing else. I asked for the undo INSTANTENOUSLY, which isanother point I think you made in your post, that an undo should be asked for rigfht away. I see no difference between that and a misclick ofhte mouse, either way it was very poor sportsmanship on the other player's part.
You say a missed move should be lived with. Well, I haven't jumped out of a window so I am liiviing with it, but that doesn't change the fact that the player who did it is a real ******* with no sportsmanship.
As for the undo policy, well, I guess I need to be asn ******* now and start denying them or asking people before the game what their undo policy is, because I have NEVER DENIED AN undo for any reason!!!!! And I expect the same in return. If anyone does NOT feel this way he or she should make it known BEFORE THE GAME starts.
You say you do not understand why soemoen resigns. WHy sopt there? if you have lsot a game, why not delay making a move at all for 15 minutes, maybe the person will have a cable modem failure or a power outage? COME on, getreal, be a good sport, recognize your defeat, resign and say "good game" and try harder next time.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
