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Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 9, 2007, 10:57 PM
Dweebo,
Could you please add a practice board as a new feature? Currently, I use the games database as a practice board. It works just fine, except that I know you record who is in there and when and I'd rather not go there when I'm involved in a tournament (even at another site). Plus sometimes I would like it if the temptation to search my current position wasn't just a click away.
A practice board would be ideal. Features could include a way to mark a position for quick snapback so I can explore a line, reset to a certain position, and explore a different line without resetting the whole board to blank. Also, if the board could stop when one side wins, that would be great too. Sometimes, when I am exploring lines in the database, I fail to notice the number of captured stones that have accumulated at the bottom of the screen.
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Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 3:05 AM
well,.. using a "practice board" during a "rated live game" is "not allowed" i think, but if you want to use one when not playing a rated live game heres the link to down load it.
1. Cheating of any kind in a tournament at Pente.org is unacceptable, and will not be tolerated. All tournaments games will be monitored. We are all just having fun, why does anyone need to cheat? You will be immediately disqualified from a tournament if you are caught cheating. If you really want to be disqualified though, here is what you should do: Enter the tournament with more than one ID. If a player has more than one user IDs the player should play with the ID that has the most games played.
2. Get assistance from any other person, computer software, notes, books, game transcripts, or databases. Move pieces (stones) around on any physical or computer-based Pente board in order to determine their moves. If you has difficulty in seeing the stones on the Pente board, you may keep the game position on any other board of your choosing while the game is progressing, but you must not vary the position from the actual game position in order to determine possible outcomes of moves.
3.Show poor conduct or sportsmanship.
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Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 4:09 AM
So what youre saying then zoey is thet you have decided that if a player uses the db to map out moves in a turn based tournament that they shall be DQ'd? Dude.....you speak for people that have not asked for such assistance. Leave it to Dweebo or qualified admin's to assert and lay out policy for the site. The post from Thad was addressed to Dweebo and methinks it a bit inappropriate and ummmm presumptuous to dogmatically assert that "this is such and such" from 1 player to another. Feel free to state an opinion, but please clarify that it is thus and nothing more. Reading your post if I was a newbie I would pretty much glean that Pente.org was a site run and managed by zoeyk, when in fact you are a player like the rest of us, including Thad. I understand you copied from the rule pages here at the site and thats all good, but it just came off a bit heavy handed at what's a potentially innocent inquiry.......
Thad.....from what I read it sounds like a bit of a modified version of the db that you're looking for. Question-Why are you concerned about showing up in db logs if you're not looking to cheat?
And Karl, what, pray tell, was the point of your post?
Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 4:39 AM
I'm pretty sure the general rule is using resources such as databases, friends, and boards is always okay for turn-based, never okay for live. and I think what zoey said is much the same thing--all he was doing was c&p'ing from the rules page of this very site, which is the right thing to do, and is as far from a "dogmatic assertion" as possible. as for what you said, derrrrrrrr, i can't make head or tail of it.
Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 7:39 AM
funny, but i don't think the problem's on my end. it's pretty obvious you made a big mistake in interpreting zoey's post; i.e. you thought he was making up rules that everyone in this site has to follow, but in reality he was just copying and pasting the rules from this site's FAQ page for everyone's convenience. but whatever you say, derrrrrrrrr
Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 8:02 AM
Ok for the benefit of karl I'll clarify- A) Thad had a question for dweebo which dweebo responded to in the affirmative (that means he responded favorably karl). B)Zoey's post while correct seemed a bit aggressive (and assumptive that Thad's intent was to cheat....if not, then why the diatribe on what will and will not be tolerated?)in my humble opinion towards Thad's inquiry, so I communicated thus. Noone else seems to be having a problem picking up what I'm putting down karl, so I must dogmatically assert that this problem, like most you have, is in fact on your end. If you have anything else to say, feel free to engage with someone on your level. Maybe a hammer. Or some rocks. I dunno, just pick somethin' that doesn't move too fast, ok? lol :P
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Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 10:14 AM
derrrr, yep, make it stop when the game is over and remove the search capability (but keep the ability to snapback to a key position) and we've got a perfect practice board.
I'm not really concerned about being accused of cheating, I'm more interested in having the search feature removed/disabled so it's really a board strictly for practice without the temptation to peek at the search results.
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Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 2:59 PM
I think part of the problem in this thread is that pente.org doesn't clearly define the "rules" for acceptable play for turn-based games. I think the rules for turn-based can and should be different than for live games.
Until I get around to updating the FAQ's, I'll state that in my opinion when you play turn-based games, I think you should be allowed to use any game database, or practice board. Using a computer AI is a no-no, because what is the point of that? Those are the rules for pente.org turn-based games as far as I'm concerned.
Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 3:56 PM
I still don't think that even in a turn-based game that it is ok to use programs or other help because of the fact that I don't think that that is playing fair.
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Re: Feature Request - Practice Board
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Oct 10, 2007, 7:04 PM
Oh my what has happened now..lol every time i post something seems to go wrong. Well,... I'm going to clarify on a few points now.
1. True, the question was addressed to Dweebo so i should have kept my mouth shut i suppose.
2. Was merely trying to reiterate what I thought Dweebo had already stated, while offering a downloadable practice board with the belief that it would be used in a rule biding manner, and at the same time stating that by offering said download that I am not condoning to use it to violate Dweebo's said rules in regards to cheating.
3. Although Thad used the word "tournament", I did not see him use the word "turnbased". Thus I assumed he was referring to "live rated games". And for me to offer a down load to his request with out clarifying my standing on cheating may have made me look as though I condone cheating, thus I clarified briefly my standing.
4. When Dweebo posted, it must have been while i was typing my first post simultaneously. It wasn't like I saw Dweebo's post and then posted what i did. I was just trying to offer emediate help for Thad to obtain his practice board, with out making my self out to be a possible cheat supporter. sorry if this point is redundant.
5. I in no way was stating anything regarding Turnbased. Was just trying to be informative regarding "Live rated games". Nothing wrong with sharing information. I don't mean to ever step on Dweebo's toes. Just trying to help Thad have a practice board sooner than later, and trying to share some information from the Dweebo's writin FAQs page.
6. I wasn't being "argessive" as you put it. More over I was covering my *** so to speak.
7. Sorry Dweebo if I've done something to offend you. This will never be my intent.
Thanks for reading,
~zoeyk
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