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zoeyk

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Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 19, 2007, 8:45 AM

Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Join the Project. Please Submit your mm_ai8 Victories.
This post contains 17 games, and 8 varients of them.




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Player 1 (White) Wins - Defeating (Black) mm_AI 8 ; The next 7 games are 7 of 8 possibilities of the same exact moves
ending with 13 white, and 12 black stones played.

Rotated all 4 ways and player one's 3rd move replayed mirrored 3 of the 4 ratational ways aswell. So, weither blacks first
move is L10,K9,K11,or J10 , you will have the moves at hand. The 8th one( the mirror of 1. K10 J10 ) is missing, but with
these 7 it is easily figured.(Note these moves are not in any data base.)
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XIII Moves #1
1. K10 L10 2. N10 J10 3. L12 J8 4. K13 M11 5. K9 J11 6. K12 K11 7. H9 K11 8. N12 K14 9. M12 O12 10. J12 K12 11. K13 K12
12. M11 J14 13. O9


XIII Moves #1 mirrored
1. K10 L10 2. N10 J10 3. L8 J12 4. K7 M9 5. K11 J9 6. K8 K9 7. H11 K9 8. N8 K6 9. M8 O8 10. J8 K8 11. K7 K8
12. M9 J6 13. O11


XIII Moves #2
1. K10 K9 2. K7 K11 3. H9 M11 4. G10 J8 5. L10 J11 6. H10 J10 7. L12 J10 8. H7 F10 9. H8 H6 10. H11 H10 11. G10 H10
12. J8 F11 13. L6

XIII Moves #2 mirrored
1. K10 K9 2. K7 K11 3. M9 H11 4. N10 L8 5. J10 L11 6. M10 L10 7. J12 L10 8. M7 O10 9. M8 M6 10. M11 M10 11. N10 M10
12. L8 O11 13. J6


XIII Moves #3
1. K10 K11 2. K13 K9 3. M11 H9 4. N10 L12 5. J10 L9 6. M10 L10 7. J8 L10 8. M13 O10 9. M12 M14 10. M9 M10 11. N10 M10
12. L12 O9 13. J14

XIII Moves #3 mirrored
1. K10 K11 2. K13 K9 3. H11 M9 4. G10 J12 5. L10 J9 6. H10 J10 7. L8 J10 8. H13 F10 9. H12 H14 10. H9 H10 11. G10 H10
12. J12 F9 13. L14


XIII Moves #4
1. K10 J10 2. G10 L10 3. J8 L12 4. K7 H9 5. K11 L9 6. K8 K9 7. M11 K9 8. G8 K6 9. H8 F8 10. L8 K8 11. K7 K8
12. H9 L6 13. F11


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Player 2 (Black) Wins - Defeating (White) mm_AI 8 ;

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Game #1.0b ( A 14 move game. Fairly good, for... playing as black.)
1. K10 M9 2. F6 J11 3. D6 J9 4. E6 G6 5. J10 K9 6. L9 M8 7. L9 M11 8. M10 K11 9. L11 L10 10. C6 B6 11. H9 J12
12. H11 K11 13. M7 H13 14. M9 G14


Game #2.0b
1. K10 K9 2. N10 M11 3. N12 L10 4. M12 J8 5. H7 O12 6. K12 J12 7. N11 N13 8. L13 L12 9. K13 K11 10. H13 K14 11. K13 J13
12. N8 N9 13. M11 M13 14. O9 N12 15. P10 N10 16. N11 O11 17. L11 J9 18. M7 M12


Game #3.0b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 L14 5. G10 F9 6. G12 F13 7. L12 J10 8. H9 K11 9. H11 N8 10. O7 F11 11. M11 J14
12. H12 K12 13. O9 N10 14. O11 L8 15. O8 O10 16. O6 O5 17. G12 J10 18. H11 H13 19. G12 H10 20. H11 P10 21. M10 F12
22. F10 M12 23. K15 E10


Game #4.0b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 L14 5. G10 F9 6. G12 F13 7. L12 J10 8. H9 K11 9. H11 N8 10. O7 F11 11. M11 J14
12. H12 K12 13. O9 N10 14. O11 L8 15. O8 O10 16. O6 O5 17. G12 J10 18. H11 H13 19. G12 H10 20. H11 P10 21. M10 M12
22. K15 M10


Game #5.0b
1. K10 K9 2. G13 J11 3. E11 G11 4. H14 J15 5. E13 H11 6. K11 K12 7. D10 F12 8. H10 K11 9. L13 K10 10. K8 K13 11. K12 J11
12. G11 M14 13. K12 F12 14. J9 L7 15. E12 C9 16. E11 E10 17. E14 E15 18. M11 M7 19. L8 M8 20. J8 J7 21. N7 J10


Game #6.0b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 G10 5. L14 M15 6. J14 N8 7. O7 L12 8. M13 H15 9. K15 N12 10. J10 K13 11. H17 J16
12. K17 J12 13. H11 K11 14. J12 K13 15. J12 H10 16. G14 J16 17. J17 L17 18. H13 J14 19. J10 M11 20. F17 G17 21. F15 E16
22. K9 L12 23. N10 H15


Game #7.0b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 L14 5. G10 F9 6. G12 F13 7. L12 J10 8. H9
K11 9. H11 N8 10. O7 F11 11. M11 J14 12. H12 K12 13. O9 N10 14. O11 L8 15. O8
O10 16. O6 O5 17. G12 J10 18. H11 H13 19. G12 H10 20. H11 P10 21. M10 F12 22.
F10 Q10 23. R10 F14 24. F15 K7 25. J6 K15 26. N11 L16 27. M17 B2 28. P11 M12 29.
M11 E10


Game #7.1b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 L14 5. G10 F9
6. G12 F13 7. L12 J10 8. H9 K11 9. H11 N8 10. O7 F11
11. M11 J14 12. H12 K12 13. O9 N10 14. O11 L8
15. O8 O10 16. O6 O5 17. G12 J10 18. H11 H13
19. G12 H10 20. H11 P10 21. M10 M12 22. K15 M10


Game #7.2b
1. K10 M9 2. K13 K11 3. H11 L10 4. J12 L14 5. G10 F9
6. G12 F13 7. L12 J10 8. H9 K11 9. H11 N8 10. O7 F11
11. M11 J14 12. H12 K12 13. O9 N10 14. O11 L8
15. O8 O10 16. O6 O5 17. G12 J10 18. H11 H13
19. G12 H10 20. H11 P10 21. M10 F12 22. F10 M12
23. K15 E10



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Player 1 (White) Wins - Defeating (Black) mm_AI 8 ;

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Game #1.0w (another 13 move game)
1. K10 K11 2. H14 M13 3. H10 J10 4. L12 H11 5. H9 H8 6. H12 J11 7. L11 M12 8. J13 G11 9. K12 K14 10. J13 J9 11. L11 J12
12. K12 M10 13. G15


Game #2.0w (and,... yet another 13 move game)
1. K10 J9 2. G10 H11 3. H10 J10 4. J11 F10 5. L9 M8 6. G13 H12 7. H13 H10 8. G10 H10 9. F13 J13 10. G11 G12 11. E13 D13
12. K14 J13 13. H12


Game #3.0w (a 15 move game)
1. K10 K9 2. O9 M7 3. L8 K7 4. M10 L10 5. J8 L7 6. J7 J9 7. M11 M12 8. L10 N7 9. O7 J6 10. J7 M9 11. M10 N10
12. O8 O6 13. J10 H10 14. O11 O10 15. N10


Game #4.0w (another 15 move game)
1. K10 K11 2. D10 M13 3. H10 M9 4. F10 G10 5. F12 J12 6. L10 J10 7. H13 M10 8. F11 F13 9. E11 M11 10. M12 M7 11. M8 C9
12. H14 G13 13. E13 G13 14. G11 J9 15. D14


Game #5.0w
1. K10 J9 2. K7 K11 3. H9 H11 4. J8 G10 5. F9 J12 6. L10 H13 7. M10 N10 8. J10 G8 9. J10 H10 10. F10 H10 11. H12 H9
12. F7 F8 13. H9 G8 14. H10 J10 15. J11 J10 16. H9 L12 17. G13 L9 18. F14


Game #6.0w
1. K10 K11 2. K13 K9 3. M11 H9 4. L12 N10 5. H15 J14 6. H11 F7 7. G12 J10 8. L8 J10 9. G8 F13 10. H11 J12 11. H13 J13
12. L10 M10 13. K11 J10 14. H12 H14 15. K14 L10 16. K10 K12 17. G14 J16 18. H15 H14 19. J14


Game #7.0w
1. K10 K9 2. N10 M7 3. M10 L10 4. M11 O10 5. J8 K9 6. H10 J10 7. L8 H11 8. L6 F13 9. G12 M8 10. L7 L5 11. G8 M5
12. H8 K8 13. K7 K8 14. G10 J7 15. K7 F10 16. G10 H9 17. K11 H9 18. G9 G11 19. G7 G6 20. F6 J9 21. K9 J9
22. H6 H9 23. L9


Game #8.0w
1. K10 K9 2. J11 L9 3. J9 H12 4. J11 M9 5. J10 J12 6. K12 H10 7. G12 L13 8. J11 O9 9. N9 J12 10. J7 J8 11. L10 H7
12. G9 G6 13. F5 H8 14. G10 H9 15. K7 J8 16. G8 G11 17. F12 G11 18. E12 D12 19. F11 H9 20. K8 J8 21. H10 F8
22. L7 H6 23. K10


Game #9.0w
1. K10 L11 2. N10 J10 3. L12 M11 4. J12 N11 5. O11 J11 6. J9 H8 7. M9 K11 8. J11 L8 9. J13 J10 10. H9 J10 11. J14 J15
12. G12 K9 13. H12 K12 14. P12 Q13 15. E12 F12 16. M7 M10 17. M12 M10 18. O12 N12 19. L9 M10 20. N9 G13 21. O9 P9
22. O13 Q12 23. O12 O10 24. Q8 H14 25. N11

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karlw

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 19, 2007, 9:00 PM

ugh. i never really cared for the mm_ais.

spifster

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 20, 2007, 12:16 AM

so how does this help you as a pente player?

zoeyk

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 20, 2007, 2:50 AM



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squirrlkng

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 20, 2007, 5:23 AM

Ya know that you can download mm_ai1-18 on mmammel's website, right? Once you download, the proggie moves much faster too zoey And seein's how Deep Blue did against Kasparov, I think the concept of pitting a player against the ai has its merits in terms of development, but alas this is but a humble opine of mine. Here's the URL for the download(s) http://users.erols.com/msmammel/marksfiv.html

spifster

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 21, 2007, 12:43 AM

I see... it is interesting, and those aren't bad games. I'd be interested in seeing improvements to the AI's... but 1) they take forever on here, and 2) they aren't really current on openings, etc. But I suppose learning all these openings can help one develop... sorta

squirrlkng

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 21, 2007, 1:39 AM

Well of course.....the ai8 thinks how far ahead?....8 moves. It gets a lot better as you go farther up the ladder.....and with the downloads the play is MUCH faster for anyone interested in the ai.

boat_rules

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 21, 2007, 2:10 AM

Ok cool ,.. so how would I get updates for it and or upload my own games into the downloadable mark mammel version, if that is possible?

thanks.

squirrlkng

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 21, 2007, 3:39 AM

Just ask Karl for updates.

karlw

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 22, 2007, 1:33 AM

updates on what?

boat_rules

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 22, 2007, 7:01 PM

lmao,....ok so karl is there a way to add new games into the ai that you download from marks web site? and if yes then how... thanx. and are there any pre existing updates for this downloadable ai? and if so then where are they again thanx. if these questions still make no sence let me know and ill try to find a clearer way to ask them .

boat_rules

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 22, 2007, 7:09 PM

oh and by the way,.. the dsg's mm_ai8 beats the mark's website's ai_18 over and over again. dont know why but the 8 is stronger than the level 18 one. strange...perhaps becuase it moves too fast...

mmammel

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 22, 2007, 10:24 PM

The program on this site and the downloaded version should be about the same, but I think there are differences. But Level 18 should beat Level 8 unless its opening is very bad. What do you mean level 18 moves too fast??? It should be slow Except for the opening which is from the opening book.

No, you cannot add games to the opening book of the program, unfortunately. I had aspirations to make some improvements including that but its unlikely.

-Mark

squirrlkng

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: May 22, 2007, 10:44 PM

LOL

zoeyk

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Re: Defeat every possible mm_ai8 opening,...
Posted: Apr 4, 2014, 8:20 AM

heh, this was a fun old thread... way back in the day.

man, I was pretty excited back then lol.

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