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watsu

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ChatGPT and gomoku
Posted: Sep 22, 2023, 11:49 PM

In the preprint paper discussing ChatDev, the front page example is develop a gomoku game ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.07924 ). Given that, plus recent discussions of ChatGPT 3.5 Turbo Instruct's chess playing abilities (~1800 Elo is what I'm reading) I thought I'd give Turbo Instruct a spin on gomoku. Result? Awful. Won't block threes without prompting. Legal, but terrible moves. Told me it couldn't play Pro Pente as an AI language model. Sigh. Maybe someone wants to get ChatDev to make some Pente playing software? https://github.com/OpenBMB/ChatDev

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Re: ChatGPT and gomoku
Posted: Sep 24, 2023, 10:46 PM

If you get chat gpt successfully integrated into pente, it would be the final nail in the coffin of pente. Maybe dont pursue that watsu. At least mark prog cant identify post 3s. Let's not try to make things worse

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Re: ChatGPT and gomoku
Posted: Sep 24, 2023, 11:53 PM

ChatGPT only plays 1800 Elo chess. I don't think it'd be any threat to Mark's program. I'm sure other machine learning techniques would be, however.

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Re: ChatGPT and gomoku
Posted: Sep 27, 2023, 11:34 AM

> If you get chat gpt successfully integrated into pente, it would be the final nail in the coffin of pente.

I doubt it.
Programs didn't kill checkers, chess or renju. Neither cars did with running.
The game just loses popularity year by year, that's the way.

watsu

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Re: ChatGPT and gomoku
Posted: Sep 27, 2023, 3:00 PM

Viktor Barykin already appears to have had a stronger program than Mark's in real time D Pente games back in 2007.
https://pente.org/gameServer/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=1&threadID=3345&tstart=509
This is long before the AlphaZero program results. Certainly, a program would take little effort to create today which would beat Mark's program. Whether a chatbot software company could do it (create Pente or D Pente software which would beat Mark's program at 3 minutes per move) in 7 minutes of programming time for under a dollar, I doubt it at this point in time, anyway. Also, the D Pente contest between Mark's and Viktor's programs in 2007 in D Pente was first move to the center of the board.

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