P2's good chances with current rules
Posted:
Dec 6, 2001, 3:48 AM
Hey all -
I haven't written a note on here in a long time, so I thought I'd bring up a couple of things that haven't been mentioned here in a while.
Has anyone observed the games from the 2000-01 PBEM tourney final? I have seen very little on here about the completion of that tourney. Unfortunately, 3 of the 7 players decided that they did not have time to play their games (shame on them!), so we basically wound up with a 4 player final, although one of the one's who forfeited did complete 2 games.
Here's the plug for player 2 (P2) with current rules. In completed games that were not forfeited in that final, P2 currently has a 6-5 record!! [There are 2 games remaining between Dmitri Krasnonosov (Student) and myself.] One of the most notable things about this is that P2 scored 3-1 using one of the standard Boston defences, but it was a different line than was used in last year's final. This turned out to be a good one.
For those of you who think that the Boston defense and P2 is dead in E-mail play, perhaps you should reconsider your thinking. The reason that P2 did so poorly in the 1999-2000 final is that the exact same line was played in many of the games. It just so happens that it was a bad line for P2, so it appeared that P2 was dead. I hope that the results from this years final have proven otherwise.
I must admit that I have come full circle on this issue. When I first started playing Pro Pente tourneys at IYT, I was convinced that P2 would at least continue to win 35-40% at high-level E-mail play for at least the next 3-4 years. When I did some research on the 1999-2000 finals games and analysis of my own, I was becoming convinced that P2 was dead and would probably only win 10-20% and that that percentage would continue to dwindle if rules weren't changed. Now I am back to my original thinking.
The key is to not always look at those databases for good moves in E-mail play. I believe that that is why the Russians are so good. They have a knack for coming up with new and excellent lines that have been played very little before. Sometimes you have to come up with something new on your own.
In speaking with Mark Mammel, I have found out that the rules will NOT be changed for the 2001-02 PBEM tourney final. He had mentioned possibly doing that in the past. He said that it was as a result of how well P2 had done in this year's final. Initially I was disappointed, but actually I am now glad. There is still a lot of theory yet to be developed for P2 with current rules.
Gary Barnes
This message was originally posted at Yahoo's pente group.
Re: P2's good chances with current rules
Posted:
Dec 8, 2001, 8:42 AM
> Unfortunately, 3 of the 7 players decided that >they did not have time to play their games
>(shame on them!),
Barykin miss Internet on two month... Sinyov lose games on renju too (he is very strong renu player). Play on Russia by internet are very expensive. And some time are difficult.
Oleg
This message was originally posted at Yahoo's pente group.
Timeouts in 2000-01 PBEM final
Posted:
Dec 11, 2001, 3:09 AM
To all -
In response to Oleg's explanation about the timeouts of Victor Barykin and Igor Sinyov in the 2000-01 PBEM Pente final, my apologizies to those individuals for perhaps implying that they were 'too busy' to play their games. I intenionally did not mention any specific names in that note because I wasn't completely aware of the circumstances. I also was certainly NOT aware of the difficulty and expense in using the internet in Russia so the 'shame on them' comment was probably out of line.
It is my hope that in the future the expense becomes less and that usage becomes much easier in Russia so that we can have many great finals matches in the future!
Gary Barnes
This message was originally posted at Yahoo's pente group.
Sorry. If you think I understand English so good - you not right. I understand only you told about peoples who can not play at final. And I give you that information. Barykin my friend. I made he play pente. I ask him - give me password and when I see you did not do moves on 20 days - I will play. But it was too late.
Truth much worse. On renju we have Poduga - place where 5-15 World Champions on renju. There are childrens. They play on PBeM but... All moves do one lady Irina Metrevelly - teacher (only one computer and only one Internet). Every summer all goes to Summer Camp where there are no Internet... 3 month... Probably next 15-20 years nothing change on Poduga.
This message was originally posted at Yahoo's pente group.
I understand only you told