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happy

Posts: 15
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
transferable pente games
Posted: Dec 18, 2000, 9:20 PM

There are several pente games on IYT worth study.
However, a computer list of moves is not available from
IYT. They have only 1. b w 2. b w etc.
A way to
solve this problem would be for us to post the games on
this site. Perhaps p1 could post his/her game -
preferably with commentary. If anyone has any games stored
electronically from IYT , especially the later rounds of the
tournament/s, or is willing to laboriuusly generate , type and
post, please volunteer.

happy gaming, happy



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mmammel

Posts: 260
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
From: Maryland
Age: 53
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Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Dec 19, 2000, 7:05 AM

Right, we could keep track of good IYT games by
each player saving transcripts of their own
games.
I have most of my recent IYT games saved from my
(new) program as text files in the PGN format. Here are
two interesting games I played against codypup in Oct
Main #1 Round 2. I have them in algebraic notation as
used at PBEM and my program  note it does not match
IYT! IYT uses the letter i' in the coordinates, but I
skip i'. You can cut and paste the list of moves from
these games, save them as a text file such as cp2.txt,
then you can load the text file into my DOS program
for viewing.

[Event cp2]
[GameType
Pente]
[Site ItsYourTurn.com]
[Date 2000.11]
[Round
Oct 00 Main #1 Rnd 2]
[White codypup]
[Black
mmammel]
[Result 0-1]
[WhiteRating -]
[BlackRating
-]
[Comment -]

1. K10 L11 2. N10 J10 3. K8 L10 4. K9
K11 5. K7 K6 6. L12 M9
7. H9 K11 8. J12 J11 9.
M11 K13 10. O9 P8 11. L9 G11 12. H11 G10
13. H11
G9 14. G12 G7 15. G8 J10 16. L11 J9 17. K9 M12 18.
K10 K11
19. F7 F13 20. E6 D5 21. N8 J11 22. H11
G13 23. G12 J13 0-1


Comments:
3. K8
L10?!? I _meant_ to make the standard move of L12 but
blundered.

6. L12 M9 L12 puts me in big trouble, I try M9 to
maintain the initiative at the expense of the pairs, also
poisoning his capture at L9 and preventing him from moving
to M9 himself. If I protected with H9, he could kill
me with M9.

11. L9* ?? No, the capture is
made too early, now I can grab the initiative and save
myself! What was his best move here? I give my answer at
the end...

Here is a newer Boston defense seen
in this round:
[Event cp1]
[GameType
Pente]
[Site ItsYourTurn.com]
[Date 2000.11]
[Round
Oct 00 Main #1 Rnd 2]
[White mmammel]
[Black
codypup]
[Result 0-1]
[WhiteRating -]
[BlackRating
-]
[Comment -]

1. K10 L11 2. N10 J10 3. K8 J12 4. K7
K6 5. K9 K11 6. L12 M11
7. H9 K11 8. J11 H13 9.
L10 G14 10. F15 J8 11. L10 N11 12. O11 M10
13.
M12 M9 14. N9 J10 15. L10 P12 16. O11 K9 17. G13 K12
18. H12 K12
19. N12 0-1

Comments:
3.
K8 J12 ?! This move has been made recently by
Nosovsky and GaryB also.

4. K7 ? I thought this
move would be stronger than K9, but it seems now that
it is not  see Dmitry vs GaryB in the same round
:
4. K9 K11 5. M9!!

5. K9 ? K11 This gives
him some good threats up there.
6. L12? Maybe I
could have tried J11 instead?


In the first
game a better move is 11. G10, maybe followed
by:
11. ... F11 12. J8 H7 13. J8 K9 14. K12

-Mark



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dweebo

Posts: 1,032
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
From: Powell, OH
Age: 37
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Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Dec 20, 2000, 12:02 AM

I have an interesting solution to this problem
happy. I am thinking of writing a little program to
connect to www.itsyourturn.com and figure out the moves
of a particular game. What I have in mind is a
filter on top of www.itsyourturn.com. You could log on
at say for example www.pente.org/iyt. This shows you
iyt's main page, then all links are automatically
directed through www.pente.org and when you get to viewing
a game, a coordinate list of moves would appear
instead of 1. b w 2. b w. There could also be a link to
view the whole game in a text file. There are plenty
of other things I could add as well. But everything
else about IYT would be exactly the same.

Of
course its probably illegal, but since I won't be making
any money off it, I don't imagine IYT would
care.

I have it figured out in my mind how to code it,
but I don't know how long it will take. It all
depends on how good a job I want to do, and if anyone
will use it. So if this sounds like something you
would use please drop me a note at
dweebo@w...

Also, if anyone would be interested in helping to
code
it in java please let me know.



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Pente Rocks!
afortune

Posts: 94
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Dec 22, 2000, 10:47 PM

Peter, if you don't think IYT would care, why not just ask their permission
first?



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dweebo

Posts: 1,032
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
From: Powell, OH
Age: 37
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Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Jan 6, 2001, 10:47 AM

Ok, I have an initial working version of an iyt
filter that anyone can download at
http://www.pente.org/downloads.html

If anyone has any
questions/comments about the
program email me at dweebo@w...



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Pente Rocks!
afortune

Posts: 94
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Jan 11, 2001, 10:04 PM

What exactly does an IYT filter do again? Does it allow us to e-mail a
transcript of the games to ourselves, not unlike what pente.org has set up?



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housedad

Posts: 7
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
Re: transferable pente games
Posted: Jan 12, 2001, 12:11 AM

I loaded up the server and tried it out but didn't see anything different in
the notation, etc. Perhaps there is something I don't know?



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housedad

Posts: 7
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
IYT Filter / Bio
Posted: Jan 22, 2001, 9:21 PM

Can someone tell me what it is exactly that the
IYT filter does? BTW I love your site,
Dweebo.

I am 28 and I started playing Pente about 15
years ago. I got real serious about it and read a few
books, but that was about the extent of it. I didn't
play again for about 10 years or so, and just recently
started playing again about 3 months ago. Thanks to the
information made available by a lot of the participants in
this group I can learn a lot more and make many
improvements to my game. Thanks for the time and effort you
all have taken to put various information and
software together on your sites. As a past programmer, I
know one doesn't always feel like efforts are
appreciated.

My interests include Amateur Radio and
Electronics, computers (started programming in the 5th grade
and I am 28, was also a SysOp of a computer BBS when
300 baud was the standard), pool and bowling
(although I crushed my left heel playing basketball on
Christmas which put a stop to most of that), and other
stuff.

I go by kb9vos, StrykerCC, and HouseDad. I have
been beaten by many of you. Thanks for the games to
analyze!

Best pente achievement is breaking MMammel's 14
game winning streak on Dweebo's site in a been up too
late game in which I got extrememly lucky and he beat
hisself!

[C]



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mmammel

Posts: 260
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
From: Maryland
Age: 53
Home page
Re: IYT filter
Posted: Jan 23, 2001, 11:09 PM

Hi,

Peter's filter is a Java application,
you have to have Java runtime environment on your
computer to run it. You can download the JRE for free and
Peter has a link to it in the instructions for his
filter. When you go to IYT thru the filter, you will see
the coordinates of every move listed on the side in
place of the 'b' and 'w's where you can click to see
each move. That way you can see a list of all of the
moves at once without having to click on every move.
Unfortunately, the filter has to click on every move
automatically in order to retrieve each move so it will be very
slow if you do not have a fast connection.
You can
send an email to Dweebo or to me if you have trouble
setting it up.

-Mark



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dweebo

Posts: 1,032
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
From: Powell, OH
Age: 37
Home page
Re: IYT filter
Posted: Jan 24, 2001, 12:03 AM

Mark, you did a good job explaining the filter.
One other thing I just figured out. IYT has a link
that enables/disables the displaying of the move list.
If you don't see any move list, try clicking on the
link under the board that says (show move
list)

Last night I made some progress on version 0.2. In
this version I add a link to a text file containing
the details of the game (players, date/time, etc.)
and the move list. This allows you to easily save the
game to your computer and view it in other programs
like Marks. The format of the text file is the same as
discussed in message #171.

After 0.2 is working, I
plan to start downloading all pro-pente games on IYT
and storing them in a database. Then I am planning on
working with Mark to make a program to view all these
games But that is probably far in the future.



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Pente Rocks!
housedad

Posts: 7
Registered: Dec 16, 2001
Re: IYT filter
Posted: Jan 24, 2001, 1:49 AM

It runs fine I just didn't see any change. There are still b and w's I did not
see any change in the coordinate system...



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