i was wondering guys why is it that since we haven't been able to get online we are atoumatically disqualified???i don't know man i could not get a date and time set straight with flurry.i just don't get it i was working and i come check my mail and it says we are playing last night at 8:30? can't do that...well i dunno
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Re: we both lose???
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Feb 12, 2003, 11:42 PM
If this is a tournament question, it should be in the tournament forum. Otherwise this is probably a confusing post since you never actually explain that you're talking about a tournament match.
I'm sorry that you couldn't get your match in on time. However, the rules very clearly state that you must complete your match in the 2 weeks for each round. 2 weeks is a long time to not be able to agree on a match time. Obviously it can happen, so what are our options? If we continue to wait for 2 players out of 56 to finish, the whole tournament is held up. Our tournament directors, Gary and Mark make every effort to ensure that people are finishing their matches and will be more than willing to help in scheduling conflicts. They spend a lot of time and effort on making this process run smoothly. They even send out warning messages to you towards the end of each round if you have not turned in your results yet. If you are having trouble setting up a time to play, it is YOUR responsibility to contact your director and let them know. If you don't, we don't know anything is wrong and are left with no other choice than to give you both losses (it is not something we like to do). However, if 1 player is actively trying to setup a match and the other player is not, we will usually give the match to the player who is making the effort. In this case I believe neither player was communicative. Gary will be able to provide the specifics here but I believe that was the reason.
One last point, you are not disqualified from the tournament, just the round.
i told gary i couldnt establish a time with flurry so i was communicating with someone about it i told flurry i could play whenever they wanted then i got no response..i just wasn't home to see that he sent a mail saying i had to be there at 830 i dunno its just me i guess?????????
I do not understand why you are using a public forum to voice your complaints about a very specific situation that happened.
I would have been very glad to listen to any comments that you had to say or even meet with you at the site about what happened. All you had to do was send me an E-mail after you had already forfeited your match and I would have explained the very specific rules to you.
Also, there is a dispute process set up for the tourneys. Although it is too late now, if you feel as though you have had an unfair ruling against you, you can dispute it with the other director and co-director, i.e. Mark Mammel and Joe King. If it is a tough decision (which this one was not), we might even enlist Dweebo's opinion also, but that would be a last resort, because he has many other things to worry about in running a site.
Littlebug, I think you need to take some time and read some of the rules for the tourney, specifically the general rules section that talks about coordination problems. We spent MANY hours putting them together and they cover ALMOST all situations including yours.
These are just general comments. I'll get into more detail in the next post.
In your short posts, you made a couple of misleading and confusing statements, as follows:
>> i was wondering guys why is it that since we haven't been able to get online we are automatically disqualified??? <<
You haven't been disqualified, you and Flurry simply double forfeited your match for round 2. You are entered into round 3 and your opponent is Allen. Flurry674 is in round 3 and her opponent is Caryf300.
>> i just don't get it i was working and i come check my mail and it says we are playing last night at 8:30? can't do that <<
You are only stating what happened after the fact which is misleading. Here's the sequence of events that lead up to it:
(All times Eastern) Mon. 2/10/03 1:30 AM, you send me your first E-mail saying that you can't coordinate. The round has less than a day left. This is after I sent an E-mail last Friday requesting that anyone let me know if (s)he can't coordinate. Then I sent a follow-up E-mail to various players who hadn't played and I hadn't heard anything from on Saturday, including you and Flurry. You had ample time and the knowledge to know to contact me before you did.
Mon. 2/10/03 2:46 AM, I respond to both players saying that I will be glad to extend the round by a day and to set 2 times for play, one on Monday and one on Tuesday if I can get a fairly quick response from at least one of you about what times that you are available. I also ask for you to forward any correspondence regarding your coordination. (You never did that, which didn't help.)
Mon. 2/10/03 10:28 PM, I still haven't heard anything after 20 hours, so I send a follow-up E-mail to both of you stating that I will only be able to set up a single time on Tuesday for you to play your match.
Tue. 2/11/03 2:12 AM (why did you wait SO long?), you FINALLY respond to me stating that you can play at anytime. In your exact words: "i am willing to play any time u wish".
Tue. 2/11/03 3:24 AM, I send an E-mail to both players setting a match time of 8:30 PM Eastern time Tuesday night and stating that whomever doesn't show will forfeit all 4 games of the match.
At this point, I'm thinking that there will be no problem and that you're probably off work on Tuesday.
Tue. 2/11/03 8:30 PM, I am at DSG and wait for an entire hour but NEITHER player shows up. I ask several people at the site if they have seen you, Mike321, or Bobugnone, since they are your dad and uncle and could possibly contact you. None of them have seen them recently.
Tue. 2/11/03 9:01 PM, I send an E-mail to both players stating that I will wait another 15 minutes for one of them to show up at DSG.
Tue. 2/11/03 9:32 PM, I send an E-mail to Dweebo, Mark, and the both of you that you have double forfeited your match.
Littlebug, you just simply waited TOO long to notify me in the first place. You also waited nearly a day to respond to my E-mails when I was going out of my way to find a way for you to play your match. Then at the end, I waited much longer than I could have at DSG hoping that someone would show up. When no one showed, it was extremely frustrating to me because I had spent a fair amount of time working on the situation already.
But I must ask a question because you still could have avoided the forfeit. Why did you say that you could play at anytime when you couldn't? If you had stated that you could only play at 2 AM, I might given that time for the match because Flurry had NEVER responded!
There seem to be 5 main issues for you here if your going to avoid this in the future:
1. Have some general understanding of the rules. We spent A LOT of time on them and they are VERY specific as to what we will do in these situations. They were followed exactly here.
2. Learn to follow directions. If you get an E-mail that says to contact the director right away if you are having problems coordinating, then don't wait 2 days to do so. If you are requested to forward E-mails to the director regarding your coordination with your opponent, then do so or state that you don't have any. If you don't understand something, don't be afraid to ask. That's what we're here for.
3. Be more specific in your communication. If you cannot play at ANYTIME, then don't say that you can! I could have set a match time that was 4 AM. (Maybe you would have preferred that time, but I had no way to know.) I chose 8:30 PM Eastern because most of the country is home from work by then but hasn't gone to bed yet and I could be on DSG. If you had just stated something simple like "anytime except when I work between 4 PM and midnight", that would have helped.
4. Check your E-mails 2-3 times a day if it is late in the round and you are having coordination problems. It's a good idea to that everyday anyway.
5. Use punctuation when you communicate. Many of your statements are confusing and frequently can be interpreted several ways. For instance, I was baffled by the following statements in your response to Dweebo here:
(1) "i told gary i couldnt establish a time with flurry so i was communicating with someone about it"
You told me that you were communicating with someone about it??? I thought it was ME that you were communicating with about it. So is this someone ELSE that you were communicating with? Punctuation and specifics make a big difference! I still don't know what this means.
(2) "i told flurry i could play whenever they wanted"
Who is they? Do you mean whenver I wanted you to play or whenever Flurry wanted you to play? Or whenever your 10th cousin wanted you to play? See if this sounds clearer to you "I told Flurry that I could play whenever Gary wanted me to." (I'm guessing that's what you meant.)
Combined with last phrase: (3) "i told flurry i could play whenever they wanted then i got no response"
Who did you get no response from? Flurry? Me? Your dog? Try this "I told Flurry that I could play whenever Gary wanted me to. Then I got no response from her." Assuming that Flurry is female, that is quite clear. If not, you would have to replace "her" with "Flurry".
If it sounds like I'm nit-picking here, it's because if I had been communicated with more specifically, we probably could have avoided this.
Anyway, there's still 4 rounds left including this one, so you still have plenty of matches to play. Good luck in the rest of the tournament!
Re: we both lose???
Posted:
Feb 19, 2003, 10:08 PM
snutter,thanks alot but sorry you have 21 years on me so all i am gonna say is my english may not be great but it doesnt seem to matter what i write anymore u guys are becomeing too strict and picky around here,the rules and the game are becomeing good for the head people,,,not us illiterate peasents
sorry for spelling i did barely graduate high school snutter
littlebug, about the tournament rules.
Posted:
Feb 19, 2003, 11:46 PM
I don't really think the rules are becoming too strict, as you said in your last reply--rather, I think Gary was just frustrated because he put a lot of time into ensuring that certain situations would not arise, namely, double forfeits, and he also invested a good bit of his time trying to sort out the situation between you and your opponent.
When the tournaments were being set up, Gary, Mark, Joe, and dweebo put al ot of time and ewffort into setting it up-- and none of them get paid for any of that time. If after going through all that trouble, a tournament director does not think soemone is making enough of an effort to get his or her tournament games played, that tournament director is not likely to be very sympathetic, nor is he likely to be very patient with resolving the matter.
I think the directors did an excellent job of making the tournaments accessible to all players of all skill levels.
Indicentally, as a math major, I feel it is my duty to point out that unless snutter has entered a time warp and aged ten years suddenly, he has 11 years on you, not 21.
If I do not accept a game invite right away, it means I will once I have fewer games in progress.
wow what a mouthfull. this is not that hard littlebug choose time(and time zone) day of week, date of month keep in contact with who you are playing if no contact after a week tell some one. you didn't contact any one. eather of you. no one here gets paid to babysit anyone. this is a cordanate or dont compete kind of thing if you cant cordanate and dont speak up then oh well your bad!
I hope you dont feel i'm budding in but come on if you had as much time as you spent replying to this board you prob would have gotten a match. live and learn is all I can say better luck next round. its not like you get a gold star (and ohh how i love those gold stars) for winning. its all for fun is it not?
